Okalahoma warning: wanna' be patriots - John and Carrie Milandred
During my 6 month journey looking for a homestead, I have run across some very questionable Patriots. I guess it is not surprising that we are as much a cross section of society as any other group. There are the criminals, the mentally ill, and the truly evil. Not long ago I ran across a couple that I would put in all three of these categories. They have spread disinformation and lies, and I am posting the following to set the record straight and also to let you decide for yourself if you should shun these characters:
They go by the pseudonym John and Carrie Milandred and run a web site called PioneerLiving.net. They have an 8 year old daughter Alicia. I believe that Carries real last name is Milanoski but am not sure if that is her maiden name or if that is in fact Johns real last name. Anyhow there is a Carrie Milanoski that is the registered owner of a 10 acre parcel, (located 2.9 miles North of Rt. 70 on the East side of the 4420 road) in the Choctaw county court house in Hugo OK.
I had many indications that this couple was not the most savory or stable. One thing that stood out was that not a single day went by when both parents did not make it clear to their daughter that she was “dumb and stupid”. Yes they used those exact words. John also seemed to have a fixation with killing someone. Anyone it seems. He would often cite a new OK law that according to him would allow him kill anyone on “his” land and seemed to take delight in repeating this to me on many occasions.
Things came to a head one day when John said he needed a word with me. It turns out that he had a problem with a post that I had made on the Oklahoma Preppers network the day beforehand. In this article I had articulated the benefits of voluntarily working together on a communal homestead. John M., the patriot, and defender of the Constitution, had a real problem with my free speech. He told me that his friends from the preppers network had deleted my article and that if I posted anything like it again, that my account would be deleted also. He continued to work his way into a frenzy, balling his fists, spittle escaping from his lips. Screaming the phrase “Don’t Tread on Me” a few times. The complete and utter picture of a mad man. He continued yelling and screaming at me calling me a socialist (Coming from a man that sends his daughter to government socialist schools.) and a communist. (I was tempted to ask him to differentiate between socialism and communism but because I knew he did not have a clue as to the difference, I bit my lip and said nothing.)
He suggested that I no longer belonged there. Which I took to mean that he was going to renege on the deal to sell me part of his acreage. I was leery from the beginning of his solemn pledge that they would never ever kick anyone onto the street and off his land and that we were all in this struggle together. Yea right….
The next day John acted as if nothing had happened. Toward the end of the day he apologised in a round about way and invited me to dinner. Later in the evening before we ate, I had to go back to my camp which was near the neighbours Paul and Annette’s camp. Paul had mentioned that he could not get Annette up to come to dinner so I ventured yelling a “Are you up?” to Annette. She responded and I informed her that we were about to eat and that she should come and eat. I left to walk back when I passed Paul who very angrily told me that it was not my place to wake his wife. (I kept my mouth shut reminding my self just how dysfunctional this band of people had turned out to be, that this was some sort of Neanderthal tribe and that talking to another mans wife was a dangerous action.)
Back at John and Carries I was verbally accosted by Carrie who informed me that “she had told me not to wake Annette” apparently she thought that she was talking to her 8 year old daughter who must take her every utterance as a royal command. The next thing she did was just completely off the wall to say the least: She formulated what to me at the time was an ambiguous question about women’s rights. I answered yes. She then repeated herself asking again. To which I answered yes. I guess it was the wrong answer as she was immediately in my face, instantly turned into a mad demon possessed as I had seen her husband John do the day before. Here was a Patriot wanna’ be ( a defender of the Constitution) in my face yelling and screaming and telling me that she was going to kick my ass all because I had answered a question in a manner not to her liking. (So much for the first Amendment.) I responded by asking her to calm down and that she must have misunderstood me. She was not even remotely rational and just got more upset at that.
Carrie went inside and was calming down her daughter that she had understandably upset. John and Paul both then started badgering me, telling me (as he often does his daughter) how stupid I was, for answering the question the wrong way. He kept getting more and more worked up and yelled to his daughter to go get “mommy’s gun.” I am not sure how he got the 40 cal Glock in his hands but he was waving it in my face telling me to get off his property. I told him that I need a few hours at least to load all my stuff up.
I guess he expected me to soil myself but instead I reached for the gun telling him to get it the hell out of my face. That really angered him and he pushed me down screaming that if I was not off of his property in an hour that he or his wife would “shoot me”.
I was out of there in a matter of minutes. I called 911 and headed to the closest place of safety that I knew. The Alibi just a bit east on Rt. 70. Well it turns out that the Choctaw Country Sheriffs would not come to the Alibi as it was in the neighboring county. I had to wait to the next day to file a criminal report and another day to be escorted back to get my belongings.
I have 2 observations to make: One is that some of the so called Patriots within our midst are at least as much a threat to us and our liberties as our enemies and we need to learn to identify and avoid them. There is still good and evil in this world and just because someone calls themselves a patriot does not mean that they are not on the side of evil.
The second is that there are 2 levels of justice in this country:
If some one had threatened to harm the president, by launching marshmallows at Washington from 2,000 miles away, the threat would have been deemed credible and it would have been checked out.
Yet the Choctaw County Sheriff does not consider the unprovoked waiving a gun in a mans face and threatening to murder him, as something that is worthy of serious investigation. In fact I am told that the clowns at the sheriff’s office lost the criminal complaint that I made.
Take this for what it is worth. I will not publicly dignify any of John or Carries rantings with a rebuttal or answer. They are masters of deception which is one reason that I published this account. Feel free to privately contact me if you have any questions about the circumstances surrounding this incident.
*** UPDATE November 2014
Just saw John Milandred in Doomsday Preppers season 3 episode 1 - it looks like this violent mentally unstable con artist has conned his way onto a ranch in FL. You have been warned....
For the record I think John was opposed to the gallows because he realized that he was the most likely person to be hung.
I WOOF for a living I want to warn other WWOOFers about someone to avoid. This information is about a Carolyn Skaggs of 407 Rocky Hill Lane Niangua MO 65713 417-859-4644
It was last Monday, July 5th I believe, that Carolyn came home. Let me regress and tell you that Carolyn has some sort of psychiatric problem and is seeing a psychiatrist and last year was charged with pulling a knife on a neighbour.
To get back to the story I must have said something that she disliked because she got within a few inches of my face and started yelling and screaming that she was going to kick my ass and that she was also going to have her brother kick my ass. I responded that she was not acting in a very Christian manner. She went totally nuts over this and I will not repeat everything that she said but the bottom line for this was that I could no longer live there, because I said that she was not acting in a Christian manner.
The next day Ray, her husband told me that I could have 30 days to find another place and get out. (I had been there for 7 months and had lots of belongings there.) She also went ballistic over this. I found the beet and turnip soups that I have made dumped in the yard that day. That night I discovered that she had been in my room, had unplugged all of my devices, cut the phone line that belonged to me, and had taken back my pillow and covers.
The next morning I decided that she was beyond nuts and removed most of my belongings from the room. It was then that I noticed that an expensive digital PH meter was missing and she was the only person that had been in my room. In fact I caught her in there on a regular basis.
I was not a happy camper but I had been biting my tongue and turning the other cheek until the next incident when she called me and told me that she had removed the rest of my belongings and that a new guy was living in my room. (Really the 2nd new guy, there was one after me that inconvenienced her and only lasted 24 hours.) (I thought Ray’s word was his bond but I was wrong, so much for the promise of a Christian these days. In most states it is also a binding contract.)
That was when I decided I would let the public know what kind of person Carolyn is:
If you like to cook go elsewhere to WWOOF:
Her kitchen is filled with roaches large and small. Every morning there are a few drowned in the sink and in glasses. She does not know what a screen door is and the kitchen is full of flies and there are usually many dead ones in the sink water. The worse things however are the 2 cat liter boxes near the kitchen that are rarely cleaned. A few times when I forgot to breath out of my mouth I began to regurgitate from the smell. The kitchen is also full of cigarette smoke and smell because she smokes. This is not a kitchen you want to cook in.
She frequents the Chinese’s restaurant on the Square in Marshfield and there she always steals egg rolls for herself and some chicken for her cats. She must think everyone is stupid and blind because I am sure the owners see her do it every time. I mention this because she will claim she did not steal from me but by my own eyes I see her steal every time she went to the Chinese restaurant. Does this not speak of her credibility?
In closing I hated to write this but I did so because I wish some one had warned me about her. She has cost me hundreds of dollars in unexpected expenses (Not including what was stolen.) and made me homeless by doing so. I hope that in writing this that her behaviour is curtailed and that there is less likelihood of her treating someone else in this manner. She did not expect sometimes there are consequences for your actions if she had perhaps she would have not acted in such a hateful, childish, and criminal manner.